RE: "I'd heard, many years ago, that those clubs whose strip was blue were Loyalist/Protestant clubs, symbolised by the Rangers/Chelsea/C18/BNP connection."

Chelsea`s strip is derived from the colour of the Earl of Cadogan`s(first Chairman) racing silks. It`s a slightly lighter blue than the customary
"Royal " Blue.
I do n`t think it has any bearing really, although there were "Blues Brothers" t-shirts being sold in the Fulham Road in the 80s/90s (Chelsea/Rangers/Linfield) As with everything else, it`s all become "gentrified" as the core support of years gone by get`s priced out of "their" club. Sound familiar???

As far as I am aware those who worked on Red Attitude have stayed with MUFC and are not involved in FCUM.

"All the Evertoninans I know hate those Orange marching bastards"

Guess all those people in Everton shirts I see on Orange order marches must be Liverpool fans in disguise.

pissed off christophe wrote:

urban myth is probably correct - i think that it is safe to presume that things are slightly more nuanced than that in reality... back in the early 1980s you could get arsenal/celtic merchandise, but arsenal only play in red because forest donated a set of kits back when they formed, and as a club they have always had as good a relationship with rangers as they do with celtic. as for yeovil town?

Well, the link to Celtic from Yeovil is pretty much non-existant. The reasoning (as far as I am aware) for wearing Green and White has nothing to do with them. It was the colours of one of the teams that made up Yeovil Town (Yeovil Casuals).

The hoops aspect has been a recent addition and have only been used during our short time in the Football League. Former manager Gary Johnson picked hoops because he believed that it would make it easier for players to pick each other out. From there we have always been lumped in with Celtic where ever we go Through the majority of out history our kits have traditionally been more a kin to Hibs.

So basically no influence there, but interestingly we have a small enclave of Yeovil fans that live just outside Dublin. They were influenced by a Glover exile, but I'm sure the hoops helped sway them.

That is as far an the influence from Celtic goes.

forthill bhoy wrote:

As far as I am aware those who worked on Red Attitude have stayed with MUFC and are not involved in FCUM.

The guy known as Mickey Phelan's shorts on the FCUM forum WAS involved with Red attitude. He is also on that Redwatch website if you want to know what he looks like.

pissed off christophe wrote:

I'd heard, many years ago, that those clubs whose strip was blue were Loyalist/Protestant clubs, symbolised by the Rangers/Chelsea/C18/BNP connection.

What a load of pish!!

You'll find that most club colours were chosen at the establishment of the club, most over 100 years ago, and to suggest a "loyalist" link is mince.

Perhaps the Huns have "adopted" clubs with blue shirts but to suggest anything otherwise is garbage.

Kowalski wrote:

I was just watching City beat Newcastle when I spotted a UVF flag. It was being 'proudly' displayed in the City end, in the corner next to the Newcastle fans. It was purple, had UVF in orange letters and the red hand with 'For God and Ulster' around it. What the fuck is all that about? Can any of our resident Blues shed any light on it?

IF the Huns reach the UEFA Cup Final you'll see a few more of these flags at the same stadium.

I feel sorry for the city of Manchester already if the Huns get there. It will be trashed, in, lose or draw...

Andy North Croy wrote:

pissed off christophe wrote: I'd heard, many years ago, that those clubs whose strip was blue were Loyalist/Protestant clubs, symbolised by the Rangers/Chelsea/C18/BNP connection. What a load of pish!! You'll find that most club colours were chosen at the establishment of the club, most over 100 years ago, and to suggest a "loyalist" link is mince. Perhaps the Huns have "adopted" clubs with blue shirts but to suggest anything otherwise is garbage.

Quite agree. Probably has more to do with certain people 'adopting' clubs than anything else. I mean FFS City used to have a fair few NF supporters but their ground was in Moss Side!

Were Everton not at 1 point in there history refered to as the Popes 11?
I dont go along with the theory though that any of the English clubs really have a leaning to either side of the Irish divide as my wife is a Manc with city leanings who stems from Irish Catholic but most of her immediate family are United fans. That said however alot of those fecking dumb huns believe city have an affinity with them though why i do not know!
The Everton/Liverpool is a little more confusing as because of the song ynwa alot of Celts have adopted em as a 2nd team but if you watch there games on sky thers always that red hand of ulster flag right behing the goal. Id say that 90% of the Liverpool fans ive met in my time have honestly leaned more to the huns supporting for some strange reason.

Outside Hampden yesterday there were loads of stalls selling ulster/red hand flags AND rangers/liverpool flags and scarves. My two mates had to hurry me along to stop me saying something (you know what i'm like!) which would have been disasterous!

Hardly suprising that vendors would be selling those flags to a team with a massive unionist/loyalist following; indeed many of those in Hampden yesterday would've been from the north of Ireland.
Rangers/Liverpool scarves are popular as are Celtic/Liverpool, Celtic/Man Utd scarves etc. I wouldn't read too much into it.

gumshield wrote:

Were Everton not at 1 point in there history refered to as the Popes 11? I dont go along with the theory though that any of the English clubs really have a leaning to either side of the Irish divide as my wife is a Manc with city leanings who stems from Irish Catholic but most of her immediate family are United fans. That said however alot of those fecking dumb huns believe city have an affinity with them though why i do not know! The Everton/Liverpool is a little more confusing as because of the song ynwa alot of Celts have adopted em as a 2nd team but if you watch there games on sky thers always that red hand of ulster flag right behing the goal. Id say that 90% of the Liverpool fans ive met in my time have honestly leaned more to the huns supporting for some strange reason.

Liverpool also have "Fields of Anfield road" as one of their songs. As someone said below, wouldnt read too much into that as I have met many Liverpool/Celtic fans and as I said above seen people on Orange marches in Everton shirts.

Both clubs have had some of their best players from Ireland and Scotland so that probably has something to do with the link. I have seen Irish flags in the past being waved at Liverpool games (With L.F.C. across the flag) As I understand it both clubs are keen to avoid any affinity with anything outside of Merseyside (Hence the reason if you look on their supporters websites they discourage any idea of "Cambridge Reds" or something of this nature as Man United have their "London Reds")

I think in the past people have tried to make a link to religion and club affinity on Merseyside but both clubs have always distanced themselves from it.

to the first post its disgraceful to allow these types of bigoted m,urdeous flags at a game an if the club wont tackle this facism i certanly hope there are fans who will!!
to other points raised man united are a catholic club they have irish roots as newton heath and many man u fans joined in with the celtic fans when they fought the huns in glasgow. also theirs a youtube video of man u and celtic fans singing get the brits out now ill try to find it
man city are facist loyalist scum have a read of the excellent book by steve tilzey and dave hann explaining the orange/racist/bnp roots of man city and the antifacist irish republican socialist leaning of man united.
liverpool are orange as well im afraid they do have some support from ireland but the majority are facist/bnp/c18/rangers. theres also a lot of liverpool fans travel with the england hooligans. everton consequently are catholic and many of the big liverpool players were everton fans like carragher rooney etc who have irish republican roots!

BattyBhoy1888 wrote:

to the first post its disgraceful to allow these types of bigoted m,urdeous flags at a game an if the club wont tackle this facism i certanly hope there are fans who will!! to other points raised man united are a catholic club they have irish roots as newton heath and many man u fans joined in with the celtic fans when they fought the huns in glasgow. also theirs a youtube video of man u and celtic fans singing get the brits out now ill try to find it man city are facist loyalist scum have a read of the excellent book by steve tilzey and dave hann explaining the orange/racist/bnp roots of man city and the antifacist irish republican socialist leaning of man united. liverpool are orange as well im afraid they do have some support from ireland but the majority are facist/bnp/c18/rangers. theres also a lot of liverpool fans travel with the england hooligans. everton consequently are catholic and many of the big liverpool players were everton fans like carragher rooney etc who have irish republican roots!

Read the book and nowhere does either author "Explain the Orange/racist/BNP roots of Man City" All the authors point to is that Man City in the 70s and early 80s had a number of NF supporters amongst them. I assume you also read how black hooligans of the City Cool Cats/Guvnors attacked NF City supporters in the City supporters shop. Neither do the authors "Explain the antifascist Irish republican socialist leanings of Man United" Rather point out that racism was never really a big problem amongst their supporters in spite of Cities ground being in Moss Side and having a larger number of black fans.

"Liverpool are Orange I'm afraid" Er really how? "The majority of their fans are fascist/BNP/C18 Rangers" Sorry thats just so laughable cant even be bothered replying to that.

"There are also a lot of Liverpool fans who travel with the England hooligans" Yeah it must be all those Liverpool fans who have "Scouse not English" banners.

"Everton consiquently are Catholic" Based on what exactly?

"many of the big liverpool players were everton fans like carragher rooney etc who have irish republican roots" Rooney played for Everton by the way. And Rooney and Carragher are now Irish Republicans!!! Must be news to them as well as us!

And what exactly does being a Catholic or Protestant have to do with being racist or not racist?

Lermontov wrote:

BattyBhoy1888 wrote: to the first post its disgraceful to allow these types of bigoted m,urdeous flags at a game an if the club wont tackle this facism i certanly hope there are fans who will!! to other points raised man united are a catholic club they have irish roots as newton heath and many man u fans joined in with the celtic fans when they fought the huns in glasgow. also theirs a youtube video of man u and celtic fans singing get the brits out now ill try to find it man city are facist loyalist scum have a read of the excellent book by steve tilzey and dave hann explaining the orange/racist/bnp roots of man city and the antifacist irish republican socialist leaning of man united. liverpool are orange as well im afraid they do have some support from ireland but the majority are facist/bnp/c18/rangers. theres also a lot of liverpool fans travel with the england hooligans. everton consequently are catholic and many of the big liverpool players were everton fans like carragher rooney etc who have irish republican roots! Read the book and nowhere does either author "Explain the Orange/racist/BNP roots of Man City" All the authors point to is that Man City in the 70s and early 80s had a number of NF supporters amongst them. I assume you also read how black hooligans of the City Cool Cats/Guvnors attacked NF City supporters in the City supporters shop. Neither do the authors "Explain the antifascist Irish republican socialist leanings of Man United" Rather point out that racism was never really a big problem amongst their supporters in spite of Cities ground being in Moss Side and having a larger number of black fans. "Liverpool are Orange I'm afraid" Er really how? "The majority of their fans are fascist/BNP/C18 Rangers" Sorry thats just so laughable cant even be bothered replying to that. "There are also a lot of Liverpool fans who travel with the England hooligans" Yeah it must be all those Liverpool fans who have "Scouse not English" banners. "Everton consiquently are Catholic" Based on what exactly? "many of the big liverpool players were everton fans like carragher rooney etc who have irish republican roots" Rooney played for Everton by the way. And Rooney and Carragher are now Irish Republicans!!! Must be news to them as well as us! And what exactly does being a Catholic or Protestant have to do with being racist or not racist?

first of all i said roots but maybe the club was founded with good intentons.as i said though tey did have a problem of racism and facism later on as you mentuioned NF UVF AND BNP etc but not all fans were part of that like the cool cats for example. and as a matter of fact the author doesnt touch on an uniteds roots (they have a chapel in their ground) but he does mention they have a large irish natiobnalist support. its got nothing to do with catholic and protestant - theres been loads of irish republicans that are protestant!! it just the loyalists are very bigoted they support the nazi because they murdered catholics, and they hate blacks catholics muslims etc. not all maybe 90%.
everton were founded as a catholic club and had a lot of catholic supporters though later liverpool started to see the light they had catholic players and managers like bill shankly etc.
rooney has irish catholic grandparents and him abd roy keane wee at celtic games FACT so obviosuly they dont hate irish republicans as much as you do!
oh and have a read of talfanzine or celtic fans against facism sometime maybe youl start to understand about irish history and oppresion BEFORE you start having a go at us!!