Chorleyboy wrote:

Somebody posted it on another forum (admitably a member of the OO).

Well, it does have the ring of being dreamed up by someone so Orange they probably has 'Outspan' tattoed on their arse! I suspect it is just concocted gobbledegook.

[quite="Chorleyboy"] An interesting question is though why did people who voted for Sinn Féin not just vote for the CPI as they seemed to want a united Ireland but with no obvious sectarian agenda.[/quote]

The answer to that question is that there was, at the time of seeking Irish independence, a need for unity amongst various factions with a common goal (ie independence from the UK). It was therefore necessary to have a 'pan-political' focus for the 'job in hand.' These various factions included people who had money and land and who, whilst wanting independence did not subscribe to the ideas of James Connolly and his followers and certainly didn't fancy the idea of losing their possessions.
Once (albeit only partial) independence was achieved, in common with most 'wars of independence' throughout history, civil war followed. A civil war that cost the lives of more Irishmen than the previous struggle for independence had.
A sad and complicated period in Irish history and one that most first generation Irish people I know (let alone the likes of myself) don't fully understand.
Ken Loach's film "The Wind That Shakes The Barley" is set against this background by the way and gives some limited insight.

By the way, James Connolly, being Edinburgh-born, was reputedly a Hibs fan.

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Shakers wrote:

By the way, James Connolly, being Edinburgh-born, was reputedly a Hibs fan. Only registered users can see links on this forum! Register or Login on forum!

There is a plaque in is honour on the City's Cowgate, on the bridge pillar adjacent to the Subway nightclub. If you are in town for a boozy night out any time there's a good chance you will pass it. If he was a football (soccer) fan at all it's fair to say he's likely to have followed the Hibs.

Bhachgen wrote:

Shakers wrote: By the way, James Connolly, being Edinburgh-born, was reputedly a Hibs fan. Only registered users can see links on this forum! Register or Login on forum! There is a plaque in is honour on the City's Cowgate, on the bridge pillar adjacent to the Subway nightclub. If you are in town for a boozy night out any time there's a good chance you will pass it. If he was a football (soccer) fan at all it's fair to say he's likely to have followed the Hibs.

There's a bit in the 'trivia' section of his Wiki entry (not that these are always by any means accurate of course).

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Just in case this is getting away from our Kiwi friend's original thread topic. I'm curious as to how, bearing in mind the aforementioned Celtic affinity, on this board at least, there seems to be more of a 'link' between St Pauli and Hearts than there does with Hibs.

I wound have thought James Connolly had other things to concern himself with. But if he was interested in football I'd put my money on it being Hibs.

It may come as a surprise to some people but there's quite a few Hearts fans that are into St Pauli. The interest is just like anyone else on this board... music/punk, beer, struggling football etc but also the refusal to be labeled by bigger clubs in as much as telling/bullying us into what our political or religious beliefs should be.

The very fact that some Hearts fans are prepared to stand up against the thugs that happen to support the club and try and tarnish our image makes the friendship even stronger.
David v Goliath! The struggle continues comrades.

brido05 wrote:

I wound have thought James Connolly had other things to concern himself with. But if he was interested in football I'd put my money on it being Hibs. It may come as a surprise to some people but there's quite a few Hearts fans that are into St Pauli. The interest is just like anyone else on this board... music/punk, beer, struggling football etc but also the refusal to be labeled by bigger clubs in as much as telling/bullying us into what our political or religious beliefs should be. The very fact that some Hearts fans are prepared to stand up against the thugs that happen to support the club and try and tarnish our image makes the friendship even stronger. David v Goliath! The struggle continues comrades.

Nowt wrong with that at all Bri. I was more curious as to the absence (almost) of Hibbees rather than the presence of Hearts on the board.

Yet another Celtic bashing post and as usual followed by it's share of lies. The Sinn Fein oath is utter nonesense. That would be the same Sinn Fein that campaigns for easier divorce, abortion and gay rights.......but hey, let's pretend they are the Pope's own army and bash the taigs.

Sectarian singing in Barcelona....another lie. UEFA didn't even open an enquiry. But let's not let facts get in the way.

As for the Mark Walters incident, that occurred in 1988. Well for the record, in 1988 there were Nazis attending St Pauli games and rasism was common (see 'I know why I stand here'). Yet the same people who use the Walters incident to slag off Celtic fans, claim to support St Pauli.

How do those who call Celtic sectarian find it possible to support St Pauli ?
How do you feel about the Fanladen selling badges and flags to commemorate the Irish Hungerstrikers ?
How do you feel about the St Pauli fans campaigning to release Irish Republican prisoners ? (Remember the 'Free Dixie' display ?)
How do you feel about Heiko writing a chapter in the book 'Celtic Minded' proclaiming his admiration for Celtic fans ? (A superb piece btw)

Celtic bashing? One man asked a question and gave his own perspective on Celtic followed by a string of reasonable answers. Many from Celtic fans.

The Sinn Fein oath was also dismissed as likely to be false.

Sorry, but I don't see it in this thread.

All these are statements from the opening poster-

''It appears this outsider with its sectarian base the Celtic Club has a poor record in terms of ‘acceptance’ of those outside the Catholic fold. ''

''Celtic seems an uneasy bed-fellow and the complete antithesis of the St Pauli ethos of ‘inclusiveness’. ''

''What does get reported in the fourth estate, are the likes of the recent sectarian chanting by Celtic fans at Barcelona. ''

''I find it ‘drawing a long bow’ to say Celtic is not largely a Catholic club and regrettably has a small, but die-hard section of its fan base, who follow a gospel of violence founded on historic religious hatred. ''

''Unlike those of us who have 'moved-on' from World War Two (refer opening statement above) instead they want to drag-up 'the potao famine' and chant "death to the Queen". ''

Seems pretty much like Celtic bashing to me.

Chorleyboy wrote:

Shakers wrote: I'd be extremely interested as to your source for this Chorleyboy. A brief, cursory 'Googling' only throws this up on what appear to be 'Loyalist' sites, along with a bunch of other bits of scaremongering. . Somebody posted it on another forum (admitably a member of the OO). The wording within the text would suggest this to be an ancient document possibly from the original Sinn Féin party (are they actually one and the same as they seemed to disband?)

I laughed out loud when I read your post that's about as genuine as the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion

I am amazed this thread is under the "serious section".
I have no connection to any religious faith, no connection to Ireland but it is quite obvious why I and many others follow St Pauli and Celtic. I have been to Celtic & St Pauli regularly and have only been received as a welcome guest. In simple terms some sets of both supporters travel on the same road together with me tagging along behind.
Sectarian - I don't think so. Lets just move on and forget this thread ever started and talk about things we are all interested in.

sorry to put a spanner in the works, but i think a lot of St Pauli fans like Celtic, for the same reasons a lot of followers of smaller clubs in England follow the national team (or have a second team that happens to be a member of the big 4), they want some success or glamour in there lives which they don't get with there first clubs (Rogan Taylor compared it to having a wife and also having a mistress!)

those of us that support 2 average teams eg Derby and St Pauli just accept that life is like this and Football imitates life!

St Pauli fans started following Celtic around Europe around 1990. The first huge turnout was in Cologne in 1992. Believe me, if you wanted to follow a successful football team in 1992, you would not have chosen Celtic. The link is entirely political.

a team that regularly wins there domestic league?

sounds succesfull to me.

If that was the case then it would have made far more sense to support Madrid, Barca, Juve, Milan, Man U or Liverpool rather than Celtic. Or even for that matter to just simply follow the German national team who have far more success on the football field than the English one.

The connection seems to be fairly obvious to be more political than simply a suggestion of "Glory hunting" The SPL is hardly the peak of European football. I mean based on that theory are you expecting them all to switch to Rangers this year if they win the SPL?