Absolutely the link/friendship grew from a political root. No doubt.

I think it's fair to say that we are all pretty much singing from the same hymn sheet on this forum and as I say I have a lot of respect for Celtic. Whether I'm right or wrong on this I don't know, but it often feels taboo to post anything remotely critical of Celtic on here if you are not a Celtic fan. No matter how fair and constuctive you try to be.

I'm just giving, I believe, strong and reasonable answers to the question of why some people may not like Celtic.

Kowalski wrote:

Absolutely the link/friendship grew from a political root. No doubt. I think it's fair to say that we are all pretty much singing from the same hymn sheet on this forum and as I say I have a lot of respect for Celtic. Whether I'm right or wrong on this I don't know, but it often feels taboo to post anything remotely critical of Celtic on here if you are not a Celtic fan. No matter how fair and constuctive you try to be. I'm just giving, I believe, strong and reasonable answers to the question of why some people may not like Celtic.

I agree with you mate. Especially on the 'singing from the same hymn sheet' I don't have a problem with anyone disagreeing with my point of view the whole point of a forum is to share ideas. In no way do I expect people to think as I do.

Think we have probably come to the same conclusions but from different angles (Not the first time I might add )

Hmmmmmm. Interesting!

Kowalski wrote:

Whether I'm right or wrong on this I don't know, but it often feels taboo to post anything remotely critical of Celtic on here if you are not a Celtic fan. No matter how fair and constuctive you try to be.

You know thats because we are all sensitive souls!

Oh I know you are Patrick me old mucker. Come here son, let me give you a cuddle!

Five pints and a defeat by Hibs when were in Hamburg and I may be taking you up on that offer

As a Celtic fan, this thread is actually pretty offensive in parts, largely due to the lack of knowledge of some posters. This undoubtedly is due to the mainstream media portraying Celtic as the 'catholic' side of the great sectarian divide. This is simply untrue. Yes, a majority of Catholics support Celtic due to their shared Irish ancestry, but it is also true that the most successful figures at the club have been Protestant, and roundly welcomed by all Celtic fans due to their inclusivist nature.

There have been many views expressed on this thread which have been interesting. and ask legitimate questions.

However, some of the points made, have been taken right from the front page of followfollow.com (right wing rangers fan site). There can be no denial that there is an unwelcome element within the Celtic support. Having followed the club abroad, I have seen the buckfast swilling, easyjet daytripper types.
But to suggest that Celtic is the flip side of Rangers secterian coin is an outdated and frankly offensive suggestion.
Watch the UEFA cup final on wednesday and you will hear songs glorifying child abuse, and asking irish immigrants 'why they wont go home, now that the potato famine is over'. Great steps have been made in recent years to rid football of racism, however racism towards the Irish isnt acknowledged in Scotland as 'its only the Irish.'

As for the link to St Pauli, I think it partly stems from shared political beliefs but also from Celtic fans seeing in St Pauli a club that we wish we had with Celtic. A Club which hasnt sold its soul to chase the dollar, and which is still about the fans, a club which is more than a PLC.

Celtic Football Club may have lost some of its groundings to become a PLC, but it is still a broad church.

Scanned through this thread and it seems to be all yadda yadda sectarians yadda yadda catholics etc, and mentions that the link is POLITICAL.

In that case, why are we linked with a club who (along with Rangers) have done their best to ruin Scottish Football? I find it very odd that supposedly 'leftist' fans like Pauli's are so willing to support such a 'commercial' club.



May as well set up links with the Manc Scum, FC Bayern and Juve as well tbh. Could probably sell more trikots...

Leeds By Example wrote:

Scanned through this thread and it seems to be all yadda yadda sectarians yadda yadda catholics etc, and mentions that the link is POLITICAL. In that case, why are we linked with a club who (along with Rangers) have done their best to ruin Scottish Football? I find it very odd that supposedly 'leftist' fans like Pauli's are so willing to support such a 'commercial' club. May as well set up links with the Manc Scum, FC Bayern and Juve as well tbh. Could probably sell more trikots...

I guess you misunderstood something quite fundamental - the link is not between the PLC and St.Pauli's leadership, but is rooted in the friendship and common "values" etc. of individual supporters. That there are some official connections by now is just because the clubs saw that they can exploit those links financially (or to offer a service to their supporters, just as you like to label it).
Especially the Ultras of St.Pauli are not that close to Celtic supporters, but rather to fans in Italy. Others like to support Villarreal, West Ham or whatever, it's an individual thing.

just as an example: I knew a bit about the connection between supporters of Celtic and St.Pauli, but only got into Celtic when I went to Glasgow for the first time with some Irish workmates, nothing about St.Pauli there.

It would seem the connection between Celtic and St Pauli goes beyong the fans now with the official Celtic Football stores stocking St Pauli clothing lines, aint that great!! We dont stock other teams gear so i guess someone sees there is an affinity in culture and politics between these 2 fine clubs (tongue in cheek sarcasm at its finest!! aka fan exploitation)

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please find out 'Why Celtic is so special to St.Pauli fans' on web.

If ye wanna talk about Sectarian thing then you must know Danny McGrain's story.

Even though I'm come from Korea, I felt comfortable when I'm in the Paradise.

It's so grand old team to see.

Leeds By Example wrote:

Scanned through this thread and it seems to be all yadda yadda sectarians yadda yadda catholics etc, and mentions that the link is POLITICAL. In that case, why are we linked with a club who (along with Rangers) have done their best to ruin Scottish Football? I find it very odd that supposedly 'leftist' fans like Pauli's are so willing to support such a 'commercial' club. May as well set up links with the Manc Scum, FC Bayern and Juve as well tbh. Could probably sell more trikots...

Can't disagree with any of it. I'm not sure if you've heard the latest from the cosy charitable old Glasgow Celtic.

Thay have joined forces with Rangers to start charging opposition clubs 5% of all ticket sales to Celtic fans. So despite Celtic being about ten times the size of everybody in Scotland (apart from Rangers), they still feel the need to introduce and impose a charge on all the small struggling clubs, excepting their bedfellows Rangers of course.

If Brother Walfrid was alive today, I doubt he would have anything to do with the bloated greedy commerial monster the club have become.

I have utmost respect for individuals who support St.Pauli and believe in their ideals, but please don't insult anyones intelligence by claiming similarities between Celtic and St.Pauli, I believe it is grossly insulting to St. Pauli and does the club a diservice by association.

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don't insult anyones intelligence by claiming similarities between Celtic and St.Pauli, I believe it is grossly insulting to St. Pauli and does the club a diservice by association.

For what has to be the 100th fucking time...THE LINK WAS FORGED BY THE FANS OF BOTH CLUBS!!! Not at board room level, what part of that do people not understand and just for the record the only people going on about Catholicism yada yada yada are not the actual Celtic supporters.

The fact is, some people on this forum cannot stomach the fact that Celtic have an authentic and strong connection with St. Pauli simply because they do not like Celtic.

Maybe, St. Pauli could form a link with the Jambos...now that's a club with a liberal, leftist bunch of fans with no links to bigotry whatsoever. (Massive gffaww)

Actually Jambo, the chairman of Motherwell sees it slightly differently.

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