I have no doubt that there will be minor changes to the treaty and there will be a new referendum (as happened in Denmark after they voted no to the Maastricht treaty).

Chorleyboy wrote:

I have no doubt that there will be minor changes to the treaty and there will be a new referendum (as happened in Denmark after they voted no to the Maastricht treaty).

fight never ends for the proletarians......

GeordieLes wrote:

I see William Haig and the rest of the Tory party are applauding the 'No' vote as well.......

we found ourselves campaigning on the same side as the extreme right nazi-catholic "coir" and ganley's industrial-military apologists "libertas"!

however:

we argued for a "NO" vote on a clearly defined platform against military expansionism & unmandated increases in military expenditure , neo-conservative liberal market forces rolling unchecked over the profit soaked fields of the expanded supra-state, handing over of ireland's constitutional sovereignty (OK - THAT one's a bit dubious, i'll admit!), uncontested commitment to a nuclear europe & a move away from the social model of "old" europe to dragging us into a money-centric, isolationist, market driven hell-hole of the USofE....

and for: the rights of working people (especially those millions throughout europe not given the right to express an opinion on this matter!), the regulating of the unchecked monster of global capitalism within the european union, the continuation of ireland's military neutrality & constitutional sovereignty (see above!) and (most importantly!) to stick it up the arse of ireland's west-brit ruling class!

so what?

we should have voted "YES" just to annoy the british tories?

hmmmmmmmmmmm..... i think not!

and (btw) the arguments that this fekkin' jugernaut will just roll right on regardless is missing out on the useful bridges that have been built between republicans & the irish labour movement during this campaign, that will hopefully be the foundation stones in the building of an organised & united left-opposition in irish politics

CHUKKY ARE LAAAAAAAAAAAAR..... indeed!

DIMITRI

we found ourselves campaigning on the same side as the extreme right nazi-catholic "coir" and ganley's industrial-military apologists "libertas"!

That was the tactic of the YES side just as in the Nice Referendum a few years back. Didn't work this time, i don't think Coir are a "extreme right nazi-catholic" group but that is the direction they are going. Conservative catholic, pro-life the nazi bit will come, now that the economy is in trouble & there are 300000 immigrants in the country (source 2006 census). Don't want a nazi party in Ireland but that is the trajectory for Coir.

Libertas will in all probability become something like UKIP- pro-business anti immigrant low tax party. Right wing populist me thinks.

Good to see the broader left working on this, although if you follow media reports the right wing No's got most of the coverage (another tactic by the Yes side). Hopefully this bodes well for the future. The irish ruling class outlook now is more towards the U.S. not the U.K. I've met several members of the ruling class and they constantly go on about how great america is. Go back 10-15 years and the west brit tag was accurate not now. More like Massachusetts/Hamptons/New England/New York, the fuckers even have an american accent mixed in to their Dublin 4 accent (roysh). that's who they look to now.

As you rightly point out we campaigned on an anti neo-liberal, anti war position which in mostly explains why there was a strong NO vote in working class areas. The votes against were class votes. Watch this space the fuckers are up to something we will have to be on our guard

dimitri wrote:

GeordieLes wrote: I see William Haig and the rest of the Tory party are applauding the 'No' vote as well....... we should have voted "YES" just to annoy the british tories? hmmmmmmmmmmm..... i think not!

I guess the 'wink' emoticon was just too subtle for you.....

A resent Poll states that if French Boy forced the people of Ireland to"get it right"they would vote no to a higher % than before.Yes voters even said they would vote no rather than be told what to do...........