FC FC St.Pauli - UK
A message board for all fans of the radical club FC St.Pauli.
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

20 reasons to Hate Thatcher (yes there are many more!!)

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FC St.Pauli - UK Forum Index -> Politics
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Antifa 1927



Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Posts: 43
Location: Caerdydd/Cardiff

PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: 20 reasons to Hate Thatcher (yes there are many more!!) Reply with quote

Taken from a website a long time ago:

. As Education secretary under Edward Heath in a foretaste of what is to come, stops free milk for school children. No chance of the widely praised 'free fruit' scheme ever being Tory policy! She later deregulates school meals so all they have on the menu is burger and chips! The health of the nation was not something Thatcher thought any of her concern.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Shamelessly uses the 'race card' to get elected PM in 1979! (Though I wont claim her to be the first Tory leader to use this and certainly not the last!) "We are being flooded!" she asserts despite figures showing emigration higher than immigration and immigration at its lowest post-war level. Her idols are Keith Joseph (who ruined his own chance of being leader with a demon eyed rant on TV about sterilising the poor (I jest not!!)) and Enoch Powell (the 'intellectual' racist). She promotes Keith 'Eugenics' Joseph to Education Minister!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Monetarism! Disastrous policy of trying to control money supply. In the first of her two recessions (the worst since the 1930's), one fifth of our industrial base is wiped out and unemployment is more than doubled, there are summer riots in every inner-city in the country. Not bad for her first 2 years in office! In the first of many U-turns (see point on 'myth of strong leader'), she abandons monetarism. Polls predict Labour landslide and despite the resolute support of the press, she is the most unpopular PM on record. How could she possibly get out of this one?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4. The Falklands! In a gross piece of incompetence (or was it deliberate?) fails to avert the Falklands crisis by ignoring intelligence on the Argentine preparation for invasion in early 1982. Indeed she seems to positively encourage it by proposing scrapping the only warship we have there and having her defence secretary Nicholas Ridley openly say we didn't want the Falklands, thereby giving the impression we are not bothered about the islands! In 1978 when faced with the same intelligence, the Labour government quietly averts a war through diplomatic channels by threatening to send a taskforce. It's the classic tale, to divert attention from disastrous economic policies at home a crooked leader engages in a foreign war (except I'm not talking about Galtieri!). Perhaps Thatcher was getting advise from some of the brutal dictatorships she helped prop up in South America, "Would you like some more tea Mr Pinochet?". Number of British soldiers killed, 278, Argentines, 3000+. Blood on her hands anyone?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5. Destruction of local democracy. The beauty of not having a written constitution, having the backing of the press, having a massive majority in parliament (despite only getting 42% of the vote, less than 1 in 3 of the electorate) and having a permanent inbuilt Tory hereditory second chamber is that Tory PMs can do whatever they like. If you dont like local democracy because they vote for someone else, just abolish it like Thatcher did and centralise everything from Whitehall and unelected Quangos who you carefully select. (Yes, Thatcher invented Quasi Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisations.) The popular GLC was scrapped despite over 80% of Londoners being opposed. Londoners have to wait over 13 years before getting an assembly back and electing Livingstone as its leader once again.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6. Politicising the civil service. See point about QUANGOs above. Also if you dont like what statistics the statistics office is publishing, make sure you stop them collecting the statistics and stop them publishing them. The figures that were published on individual wealth and earnings each year were abolished in this way. The Office for National Statistics like the Bank of England was made independent by this Labour government and yes they have started publishing the wealth and earnings figures again.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7. Regressive Taxation. Under Thatcher VAT increased from 8% to 17.5% and was also levied on utility bills for the first time as well. What she gave the rich in income tax cuts she took from the poor in indirect taxation. The proportion of GDP spent by the government under Thatcher stayed fairly static at around 40%. The difference was that rather than spend it on the NHS, housing or education she spent the money on defence, a massive expansion of the civil service (see point 6), paying the huge unemployment bill, and rising police salaries to keep them loyal in the face of massive civil unrest. The best part of all was that she shifted the burden of payment for all this onto the poor from the rich.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8. The widening gap between rich and poor. This might not be such a bad thing if the gap had not been so massive in the first place. How can the richest 50% owning 97% of the wealth be fair? This was her starting position she moved wealth almost exclusively to the richest 10% at the expense of the poorest 50%.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9. Spend, spend, spend! Abolishing credit controls seemed such a good idea, the economy booms on a consumer spending bubble....cue second crippling recession. Thanks Margaret! Not to mention the misery caused to millions of people suckered into debts and negative equity! Spend, spend, spend also applied to government borrowing which despite claims of financial prudence increased massively under Thatcher to fund income tax cuts for the rich.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10. Homelessness for the young. Why should homelessness be the preserve of ageing tramps who remember the 1930's. No! Thatcher thought the opportunities should be open to all. Young beggars on the streets were Thatcher's invention. The legacy of massive youth unemployment and crime no-go areas for the police are still being fought today. There is a whole generation of people where crime and welfare culture was their only way of surviving and it became their mindset.

11. The Poll Tax! Regardless of how you view this in theory, apart from its regressive nature, it quite plainly was unworkable. They knew that it was going to be ridiculously expensive to collect, that there was overwhelming opposition to it (it ruined the 1991 census) and was going to mean massive non-payment and it was responsible for some of the worst rioting ever seen in central London but they pressed ahead anyway. Another U-turn inevitably came!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12. The myth of the strong leader. This was a total invention of the press. Thatcher's only strength (if you could call it that) was that she had no principles at all! She was an anti-smoking campaigner who ended up on the payroll of British American Tobacco. She had to do a U-turn on her 'flagship' economic policy after 2 years because she had wrecked the economy (see point 3) (This was just one year after her famous speech in 1980 where she assured the party faithful she was going to stick to monetarist policies-"You turn if you want to...the lady's not for turning"-yeah right!!). The Poll Tax was a disaster which she had to U-turn on (but too late to save her from being stabbed in the back!). She went to Europe saying she was against federalism but signed its most federalist law (the Single European Act in 1986). She later claimed she was tricked on this. Did she even know what she was doing? Some strong leader that is! And to top it all off, even in departure she was weak. "I fight on, I fight to win" she said in her pompous way before quietly resigning hours later when confronted by Ministers like Geoffrey Howe!!! It was the final U-turn from a weak puppet leader whose only qualities (as far as the Tories were concerned) were she did what she was told.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13. Degradation of the social professions. Social workers were virtually denounced as criminals! Teachers were so derided and there pay so eroded it barely survived as a profession and things like mental health, just loose them out on the streets, Thatcher's government didnt care what they did!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
14. Victorian Values. Yes before its Back to Basics successor under Major, Thatcher promised to take us back to Victorian morality and she nearly succeeded. We were not far away from child labour and seething slums of humanity and disease. I reckon Thatcher needed one more term for that!! She also took care to defend to the hilt her countless Ministers who were caught with their trousers down or hands in the till or both in some cases! Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer (3 times), Jonathon Aitkin (twice)... etc. etc. the list goes on.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
15. "There is no such thing as society". Did Thatcher foresee the 'playstation' generation? Selfishness as a virtue seemed to sum up her warped sense of morality to me.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
16. Over-privatisation and overt corruption. Oh the beauty of it, a totally dominant monopoly privatised at a discount price to big business (lots of it foreign owned) so they can cream off profits to their hearts content. Who can do without Water, Gas, Electricity? We can charge what we like! Plus we get the bonus of nice jobs on more Quangos OfWat, OfGas, Of-with taxpayers cash we go. With Ministers interchanging between the boardrooms of the newly privatised companies and the regulating boards on massive salaries. Even husband and wife teams, remember Mr and Mrs Howe, one a consultant with a privatised firm, his wife the regulator. Anyone for insider dealing calls out Mrs Archer! Oh jolly good show! Even industries that plainly werent feasible for privatisation like bus and rail, go for it, it wont hurt. And what shall we do with the money my dear? Well my son Mark has shares in a nice defence firm! Rather, still some left over for a nice reduction in the top rate of income tax as well.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17. Even public service broadcasting couldnt escape. Relentless bullying of the BBC was started by Thatcher, she took this to a new level with Tebbit and various other ministers calling it the Bolshevic Broadcasting Company because it failed to replicate Sun editorial lines in its news broadcasts. In one of her last acts she even managed to wreck Channel 4' s public service commitment by changing its funding situation from one of subscription from ITV who sold its advertising space to total dependence on advertising.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
18. The divisiveness of the North-South divide in wealth. Look at the political map and you can still see where the Conservatives win most of their seats in the South East because of this.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
19. Regular winter crises in the NHS became the norm. The Tories argued these were inevitable because we couldnt afford to fund the NHS properly. There are no winter crises anymore!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher. This is probably the most surprising statistic of the lot when you consider the Tories so called strong standing on law and order. It just goes to demonstrate why we need a history lesson about Thatcher and not the lies printed in the right wing owned press.

_________________
The English have all the material requisites for the revolution. What they lack is the spirit of generalization and revolutionary ardour. - Marx

The Welsh on the other hand...;) - Antifa 1927
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Ross



Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 75
Location: Sunny Greenock

PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant, I will be stealing that one and reposting it and also keeping saved until her much anticipated demise. (Party at my hoose whenever it finally happens)

_________________
Jet from Gladiators to host a millennium barn dance at Yeovil aerodrome. Properly policed. It must not, I repeat not, turn into an all-night rave. Alan Partridge
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Andy North Croy



Joined: 06 Apr 2008
Posts: 125
Location: Cumbernauld, Scotland.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BURN THE WITCH!!!

_________________
Independence for Scotland NOW!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Sanktic



Joined: 01 Jan 2006
Posts: 173
Location: Weegiegrad

PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reading through that list, I can't help but think: the more things change the more they remain the same.
As I've said before, she won, I'm not getting a hangover for that cow while her legacy lingers on. I might go mad and have an extra ginger nut with my weak green tea.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Nico 4



Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Posts: 436
Location: too far away from the Millerntor!

PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, here's the soundtrack...

Only registered users can see links on this forum!
Register or Login on forum!



Hefner are one of my favourite bands (and not just for this song) but then I am a bit of a sad, middle-aged indie-kid.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
redmanthinks



Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 28
Location: Northamptonshire, England,United Kingdom

PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine body of work, Sir.
Hope it`ll be wheeled out again very soon. Ca n`t come soon enough.

Only registered users can see links on this forum!
Register or Login on forum!



Dead Thatcher Society.

Hear she`s quite frail at the moment. (Sound of hands rubbing together quickly) Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
GeordieLes



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 1118
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne

PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an apologist for the Labour party by any means but any political commentator with any idea at all will tell you that if Labour lose the next election then the Tories will get in.
So? Believe me they will be worse.
There needs to be an attempt at reform within the existing Labour Party to try to rekindle some of the sensibilities of Foot, Benn and Kinnock ( at least), if not those of even earlier stalwarts, to temper the right wing thrashings of the present shower. It is a faint possibility but I doubt it and we are clinging to the hope that it will. Because the Tories will just step into the gap otherwise.
Please don't go on about Communist revolution in Britain etc. It just won't happen. Sorry, I've been a Communist for over 35 years (card carrying for 15 of them - though not now) and my zeal has leaked into my armchair. I fought through the Thatcher years (literally) and don't want any more.

_________________
'The tragedy of humanity is not in the script; the tragedy is that there is no script'
Steven Weinberg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
oldspurs



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the first Sunday the bitch dies, if you can head to Trafalgar square, its been arranged for years, the biggest piss up in a long long time will be there to be had, love this track
Only registered users can see links on this forum!
Register or Login on forum!


_________________
Forward Comrades always forwards!!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SkinheadDan



Joined: 29 Aug 2008
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Selfishness as a virtue"...I see that everywhere I go, people saying 'I worked hard to get rich,' as if that should somehow be applauded. Thatchers values have leaked into my generation and it makes me fucking sick.

As for that piss up, I will be skipping out of work and heading to London then for sure.

Now back to footy, beer and music!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Shakers



Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Posts: 311
Location: Bury, Lancashire, UK

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found out the other day that Thatcher and one Leonard Alfred Schneider (aka Lenny Bruce) were both born on exactly the same day - 13th October 1925.
No prizes for guessing which one I wish was alive today and which one had died in 1966!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
WindGypsy



Joined: 01 Aug 2007
Posts: 77
Location: West London

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 20 reasons to Hate Thatcher (yes there are many more!!) Reply with quote

Ah! Just had to come back and read this again!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
2. Shamelessly uses the 'race card' to get elected PM in 1979! (Though I wont claim her to be the first Tory leader to use this and certainly not the last!) "We are being flooded!" she asserts despite figures showing emigration higher than immigration and immigration at its lowest post-war level. Her idols are Keith Joseph (who ruined his own chance of being leader with a demon eyed rant on TV about sterilising the poor (I jest not!!)) and Enoch Powell (the 'intellectual' racist). She promotes Keith 'Eugenics' Joseph to Education Minister!


The immigration card has been played before the Blue Meanie came to power and is STILL being used this day by a Labour government which bowed to the BNP.

Had this ever been true, we would be bumping into people left right and centre by now, and not just on Oxford Street around Christmas time!

The racist immigration controls go all the way back to the 1905 Aliens Act.

Quote:
She also took care to defend to the hilt her countless Ministers who were caught with their trousers down or hands in the till or both in some cases!


In Jeffrey Archer's case obviously both: hands in the till AND his trousers down! No wonder he got caught! The combination doesn't make for a quick getaway! (With apologies for pointing out the bleedin' obvious...)

Waiting for party time when the Blue Meanie finally resigns from life!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
timmalloy



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Posts: 405
Location: Leicester

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allowing Ten Irish prisoners to starve to death. Whatever your views on terrorist/freedom fighter, allowing people to starve to death is inhuman.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chris



Joined: 03 Jan 2006
Posts: 223
Location: Birmingham - what's not to like?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And using the power of the state against the organised working class. May she burn in hell

Are we going to organise a piss up when she finally croaks it? Suggestions please.

_________________
Martin Taylor is Innocent
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
jaap



Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Posts: 57
Location: whitehaven, cumbria, uk

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeordieLes wrote:
I'm not an apologist for the Labour party by any means but any political commentator with any idea at all will tell you that if Labour lose the next election then the Tories will get in.
So? Believe me they will be worse.
There needs to be an attempt at reform within the existing Labour Party to try to rekindle some of the sensibilities of Foot, Benn and Kinnock ( at least), if not those of even earlier stalwarts, to temper the right wing thrashings of the present shower. It is a faint possibility but I doubt it and we are clinging to the hope that it will. Because the Tories will just step into the gap otherwise.
Please don't go on about Communist revolution in Britain etc. It just won't happen. Sorry, I've been a Communist for over 35 years (card carrying for 15 of them - though not now) and my zeal has leaked into my armchair. I fought through the Thatcher years (literally) and don't want any more.


I'm with you on this one Les and I know there are some decent Labour people trying to bring about the Reform you mention (LRC ect.) but it's going to take time and I think on those terms it'll be done with Labour being in Opposition which to echo your sentiments is not something to look forward to having like you literally fought Thatcherism.
On the Communist revolution statement I reckon Antifa 1927's sign off says it all really.

_________________
Ae we taking over or are we taking orders!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
redmanthinks



Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 28
Location: Northamptonshire, England,United Kingdom

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it needs the Bullingdon Dining Club Toffs to get in.
Perhaps it needs a Tory govt. so inept and unashamedly right wing to galvanise the Left into action again.
Confused The question is, is this next generation passionate enough to care and mobilise, in the way that people like Geordie Les did when The Witch cast her evil spell on the country during the dark days of the 80s??? I have my doubts, do they see Socialism as a chapter in a history book they read once, rather than a living, breathing thing???
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FC St.Pauli - UK Forum Index -> Politics All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Abuse - Report Abuse
Powered by forumup.co.uk free forum, create your free forum!
Created by Raulken of Hyarbor S.r.l.
TOS & Privacy.

Page generation time: 0.054