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Beer - Links with the far right? Noooooo..........

 
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GeordieLes



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Beer - Links with the far right? Noooooo.......... Reply with quote

Rumours that I'd like squashed if possible? Crying or Very sad

1) Moortgat, the family brewery that produces the wonderful 'Duvel', has links with Vlaams Blok, the Belgian far right party.

2) Young's of Wandsworth have links with the National Front.

I patronise both their products so any info would be gratefully received. Surely these are just 'urban myth' type stories? Shocked
Anyone?

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Tomb242



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) This was confirmed to me at the beginning of the 1990's by friends who worked in the British Embassy in Brussels. Whether it still does I do not know. Never drunk the stuff because of it.

2) The late Sir John Young donated money to the National Front in the 1970's. His obituaries last year glossed over this fact although Radio Five broadcast the fact in it's obituary. No mention if he ever regretted it.

I drink Young's now and again. There again it doesn't exist any more - it merged with Charlie Wells last year who took a 60% stake in the new company. The new company has just brought the Courage brand as well.

There is no active brewery in Wandsworth and it is going to be demolished to make way for the modernising of Wandsworth meaning that London now has only one major brewery in the shape of Fullers.

CAMRA nerd signing off Laughing
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aliceb



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't know about either of these but doesn't surprise me (esp the Belgium stuff)
The obvious one is Adolf Corrs off crap beer corrs fame living up to his name and being a fascist, but I'm sure it goes on a lot.
Don't even get me started on shepherds neame racist anti-German campaigns.
Not sure why we should be surprised about anyone holding any views - just appalled by them.
I was at a CAMRA event recently and an American casually used the 'N' word. Didn't know what to do, so changed the subject and went to talk to someone else....
Had too many of these run-ins over the years, the younger me would have shouted and screamed at him (as you usually can't reason with them).
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Mister Bungle



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the duvel - vlaams blok / vlaams belang link is an urban legend. i am belgian, left wing and love duvel. as far as i know (and i follow politics and the press very closely) the link has never been proven.
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GeordieLes



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister Bungle I hope you're right. My local ASDA has bottles of Duvel for £1:38 each so I've bought a couple for later tonight. Where do you stand on serving temperature? I prefer it chilled from the fridge but it tastes good (but completely different) at room temperature.

Belgian beer is God's way of telling us that he loves us. ( as someone famously said)

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeordieLes wrote:
Mister Bungle I hope you're right. My local ASDA has bottles of Duvel for £1:38 each so I've bought a couple for later tonight. Where do you stand on serving temperature? I prefer it chilled from the fridge but it tastes good (but completely different) at room temperature.

Belgian beer is God's way of telling us that he loves us. ( as someone famously said)


mine has to be chilled. also prefer my duvel "young" it gets more bitter once you get close to the expiration date
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Salveggio



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As belgian beer drinker I have never seen the moortgaat-VB connection confirmed. There are even bars that refuse to sell the Interbrew-beers, like Backdoor in Ghent (because of their economic cannibalism) that still serve duvel. I don't know if that has anything to do with that but it can be a sign.
Btw, are there any non-belgian beers that can be associated with the far right?
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Sertorius



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Duvel story is an Urban myth ,as is the famous Marlboro gigarettes/Klu Klux Klan tale which got demonstarted to me by the more boring of my drinking companions when I still smoked, despite me telling them about 10,000 times that it was total rubbish.
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GeordieLes



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is copied from one of my posts from another thread. Seems appropriate to reproduce it here.

Right. Let's get this out of the way first;
This is a statement issued by Moortgat Brewery following accusations that their founder was a WW2 collaborator, instrumental in the founding of Breendonk concentration camp and that they presently had links with far right parties in Belgium

'It is true that Albert Moortgat was the war mayor of Breendonk and today it's difficult to know what has happened exactly in the past. However, Duvel Moortgat doubts very much any active collaboration by Albert Moortgat and it is absolutely certain that Albert Moortgat wasn't the one to turn the Breendonk camp into a concentration camp. It is also certain that there is and there has never been a collaboration of any kind between Duvel Moortgat and any far right parties like the Vlaams Blok. Not financially, in terms of sympathy nor in any other way. Duvel Moortgat is a company that gives priority to its economic and social development. That’s why we want to position ourselves as “apolitical”. This means concretely that nor the direction nor the staff can use the image of the brewery for personal or political goals. And as a company, we don’t support any policitical project. In addition, we signed the charters of Belgian “Companies against Racism” and “Entrepreneurs for Diversity” and we support a large range of multicultural events in our sponsoring budget.
Duvel Moortgat'

The beer. Moorgat brew a number of beers but their most famous is Duvel. ABV 8.5%. It is widely available in most supermarkets in 330ml and 750 ml bottles and I like it very much - along with at least one other contributor to this board.
Folklore has it that the recipe is adapted from a Scottish IPA and the original yeast strain is from McEwan's, the beer being brewed for British soldiers in Belgium. It certainly has an IPA bitterness about it. There are two schools of thought about the serving temperature. At room temperature it is 'interesting' but I prefer drinking it after it has been 2 hours in the fridge. The taste has the strength to take it and it is wonderfully refreshing chilled. It looks like a wheat beer in the glass, unless you don't pour the yeast sediment in (a waste) in which case it is a sparkling clear pale gold. The head is a monument of foam which does not want to die down. As you lift the glass to your lips, the aroma of vanilla is intense. The first taste is distinctly one of lemons, then the hops explode with fireworks of bitterness. They carry on right to the back of your mouth and down your throat, partying as they go. There's a leathery soapy tang and the alcohol vapours drift up your nose.
You want that second mouthfull. Vanilla's back again, flooding your mouth as you swallow and the bitterness lingers. Savour it. I wouldn't eat anything with this. It's beautiful. I've mentioned the similar tasting beers in earlier reviews. This is the original golden pale ale, why bother with the others? My favourite Belgian ale that isn't brewed by monks.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love Duvel.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chimay Bleu and Trippel Karmeliet are by far the most superior Belgian beers I have had the pleasure of consuming. Good times Very Happy
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GeordieLes



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try La Trappe Quadrupel or Trappistes Rochefort 12 if you like Chimay Blue. I promise that you won't be disappointed.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:07 am    Post subject: homebrewing Reply with quote

since moving to Canada my partner in love and crime also became my partner in home brewing. pretty exciting I must say and lots of fun to do everything from scratch and bottle your own (somewhat experimental) brews. the last one was a summery raspberry blonde ale (4 lb of organic raspberries added at convenient time). next one will be a honey lager as we just got a lot of honey from my girlfriend's mom's 6 beehives and have appropriate hops.
anyone else brewing?
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VancouverFooty



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got try my hands on the home brew tried some recently from a fellow supporter who introduced me to his version of Porter very heavy not bad but not my cup of tea.

Any way got go to a proper U brew place and give it a wirl.
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