FC St.Pauli - UK

Shakers · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:20 am Post subject:

I'm currently reading "Bogota Bandit - the Outlaw Life Of Charlie Mitten" by Richard Adamson that I picked up from a charity shop.

Dubbed 'The Penalty King' during his time with Man U, Mitten is the only man to have been capped for three national teams (Scotland, England and Colombia). He went on to play for a Fulham side that included Bobby Robson and Jimmy Hill and later managed Mansfield and Newcastle.

Shakers · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:37 am Post subject:

I'm not sure if this was ever eventually published; maybe someone can help....

Some years ago there was a piece in the Manchester Evening News about a forthcoming book on Paddy O'Connell. I've never been able to trace a published version.
O'Connell, a Dubliner, had a playing career that included stints with Sheff Wednesday, Man U, Rochdale and Ashington amongst others and later went to Spain as a manager. He ended up with Barcelona during the Civil War and took them on a tour of the Americas. The story goes that he got back to Spain with only four players left; the rest electing to play 'in exile' for mostly Mexican clubs.

Will · Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 22

They're going back a bit now but both Garry Nelson's (the old Charlton striker, amongst others) books offer a decent account of the true life of a professional footballer prior to silly money truly kicking in. The first is about his time at Charlton as a player, the second about his time as Assistant Manager/player at Torquay United. Both good reads.

Also if anyone is interested in non-league football, Ian Ridley's book about Weymouth FC is interesting, if a little OTT on boardoom politics, although the weight put on them is clearly illustrative of his overall point. Although Weymouth certainly sit on the "better supported" clubs in non-league football, it does give a good indication of how difficult "going for it" is (i.e. for every Rushden & Diamonds, there's the disastrous cases of those like Grantham, Sittingbourne etc who've tried to go full time and failed miserably). Well worth a read IMO though!

Also would recommened like others Tor, Miralce of CdS and A Season with Verona. I'm currently looking forward to reading the new book entitled "Outcasts" something - all about the countries denied FIFA membership (also 99% sure I'm correct in saying St Pauli actually played and competed in this tournament did they not?) but gotta clear my reading backlog* and find other things to get my amazon order into free postage first!

(* - if the St Pauli fans who met me on the plane back from the Aachen game are reading this (have seen your names about the place and was going to start a new thread but I thought it'd be a bit anti-climatic) - this does not sadly include Catcher in the Rye, of which I managed a chapter before deciding I was better off reading the Telegraph, a sweeping indictment if ever there was one. Anyway I will endeavour to finish it and give you true opinions on the book, but I doubt they'll feature much praise!)

WaddockHunt · Site Admin Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 462 Location: London

Will wrote:

(* - if the St Pauli fans who met me on the plane back from the Aachen game are reading this (have seen your names about the place and was going to start a new thread but I thought it'd be a bit anti-climatic) - this does not sadly include Catcher in the Rye, of which I managed a chapter before deciding I was better off reading the Telegraph, a sweeping indictment if ever there was one. Anyway I will endeavour to finish it and give you true opinions on the book, but I doubt they'll feature much praise!)

Sir Roger spent an entire week finishing "Catcher" whilst on holiday in Fuerta Ventura - fuck me, it was cold! - and finally slapped the paperback down with the immortal words: "Bag 'o' shite".

Good enough for me.....he is a literary critic, after all!!!!!!!!! (He was the one sitting next to you, I think).

Nice meeting you, Will.

John x

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GeordieLes · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:25 am Post subject:

I remember the 'Catcher' conversation from the Freiburg match! Just after the kebab.....

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Shakers · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:56 am Post subject:

WaddockHunt wrote:

Sir Roger spent an entire week finishing "Catcher" whilst on holiday in Fuerta Ventura - fuck me, it was cold! - and finally slapped the paperback down with the immortal words: "Bag 'o' shite".

Good enough for me.....he is a literary critic, after all!!!!!

Not just me then! Thank f**k for that. I've waded through it twice (under the vague misaprehension that I must have missed something the first time). Unlike the venerable Sir Roger, I'm no literary critic but "Bag o' shite" just about sums up my opinion too.

Then again...... I know I'm in a minority but I have a similar opinion of The Beatles. (This is, I think, worthy of a thread of its own in the music section)

Graf · Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 16

Anyone know of books (in English) about St. Pauli? The football team or the district itself, I'm eager to learn more about either.

scum · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:

Sheilas, wogs & poofters, biography of Johnny Warren.
Great insight into the history of Australian football & as the title suggests the prejudice it once received.

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lostinthesupermarket · Joined: 10 Aug 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Largo, FL. USA

I have a copy of a "manual" put out by the AAP Collective entitled "Anarchist Football Manual". I bought it from AK Press (akpress.org). It gives a short history of the spread of football around the world, the commercialization of the sport, working class roots and a chapter on left-wing clubs around the world. Anyone interested in a short (48 pages) but interesting read, please let me know and I"ll mail you my copy-so long as I get it back! Yes, St. Pauli is included.

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anufc · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: newcastle

Graf wrote:

Anyone know of books (in English) about St. Pauli? The football team or the district itself, I'm eager to learn more about either.

i looked in Hamburg , none known according to the club

Chris · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject:

I'm currently doing a social history of St Pauli for a MA in history I'm doing part time and I have found that apart from the odd story in When Saturday Comes, there is next to bugger all in English on the Club.

However a good overview of the events at the club during the 1980s and 1990s can be found in Rene Martens chapter 'Here to stay with St Pauli' in 'Hooligan Wars; Causes and Effects of Football Violence' (ed by Mark Perryman, Mainstream, Edinburgh, 2001). Anyone want a scanned copy of this chapter, pm me and I'll email it over.

Rene Martens has written a number of histories of the club, all of which are unfortunately in German.

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pissed off christophe · Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 237 Location: Kowloon Side

Chris wrote:

I'm currently doing a social history of St Pauli for a MA in history I'm doing part time

The club or the district? If you're doing it on the club: how did you manage to blag that? Laughing

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Chris · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:

On the club mate. Got approved on the basis that there's little in English on the club, that what's happened there over the last 20 years is unique and it ties in quite nicely as an analogy to the area itself.

Given that my previous big essay was on Punk in East Germany, it also helps to have interested / sympathetic tutors!

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Chorleyboy · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 46

There is some stuff on St. Pauli - you just have to look for it.

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anufc · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: newcastle

talking about German football, Has anyone read the Barbara Smit work on the puma/adidas farternel feud?

If yes, is it worth buying?